1)EH 2)Svetlana 3)Telefunken 4Matsushita 5)Groove Tube 6)Mullard, 3,4 and 5 could easily be reversed they were very close, I do like the slightly leaner presentation of EH, Thank you for the video
The vocals are soft and the sound quality is good and easy to hear. Vintage Marantz 8B has 4 EL34 balls (push pull), Elekit (single) is enough. If it is push pull, you have to do R / L with a pair tube If the balance is not achieved and one of the tubes becomes NG, It is difficult to exchange two pairs. Pushpur is twice as loud as you want to hear It is advantageous, but if you listen at home, even a single I think it's good.
The Telefunken has definitely the taller soundstage and it definitely colours the sound less. So , again i think it has the most natural uncoloured sound. It doesn't have the fullness and weight of others....
This is the video we've been missing. Now I can understand why the factory in St Petersbourgh had to close... P.S.: Pitty that the Groove Tubes part is curtailed in the end.
Wonderful amplifier i have ordered one my self. As far as i know Telefunken did not produce El34, it used RFT and rebranded them. By the way do you know if KT90 can be used with this amplifier?
Dont know about KT90's. I know EL34'S are ok, even though they make the unit run a bit warm above where the power transformer is mounted. Mine has done SEVERALthousand hours on EL34, KT88, 6550, 6L6GC. Correct me if im wrong, is the KT90 similar to the EL34 but with a touch more low end?
Have you built your tu8200 yet? Everyone does em how they want, and i would add three or four components then solder then check under a good magnifier. I found that good for me, rather than populate the whole board, then go back and solder. Nothing too tough solder wise with the solder bridges needing the most care. I think the newest kits come with JJ tubes but mine had EH6L6GC's and some no name Chinese pre tubes. I just run new TungSol 12au7w pre's with whatever power tubes i want at the time. My build was about 15 hours, but i believe some people can complete them in 5 - 6 hours. I love it, its a great little amp whether through a preamp and dac and speakers, or with headphones.
@@harrothepilot Sorry for late reply, i didn't see your post earlier. I got mine ready build as i have no DIY skills. The JJ tubes that come are very good indeed and after i tried the KT90 i can tell you i like the JJ 6L6 better. I also tried TAD 6L6WGC, better than JJ for vocal and amazing quality tube but audibly less bass extension. If you are in to vocal jazz TAD is the way to go but for rock/metal JJ. I have ordered Black Treasure 6CA7 and Psvane Cossor 12AU7 tubes and see if they can do better than the stock JJ.
@@calaf_725 Good stuff, i bet you are enjoying it, it's a great amplifier. I have two other push pull amps, one with 4 x EL34's and one with 4 x KT88's, and the TU8200 has clearer sound than both of them!!
Excellent test. Thanks. The Telefunken has the most natural, neutral sound. I think i prefer it more than the others. Matusita is very impressive!!!!
1. groove tube (Fully equipped) 2. svetlana (very best midrange) 3. eh (high detail and dynamic) 3. matsushita (detail and wide stage) 4.mullard 5. telefunken
0:02 groove tubes
2:40 telefunken
5:38 Mullard
8:35 svetlana
11:33 electro harmon
14:29 matu
1 eh 2 mullard
By far the best performance in this record is Svetlana!
I like Mullard and Matushita. Both have good tone correctness, with the Mullard being darker. Quite a nice sounding amplifier, overal.
1)EH 2)Svetlana 3)Telefunken 4Matsushita 5)Groove Tube 6)Mullard, 3,4 and 5 could easily be reversed they were very close, I do like the slightly leaner presentation of EH, Thank you for the video
音質良いですね、GT-EL34は高級スピーカーの高域の成分有るように思うし、
Mullard EL34はムードというか色気というか、いい感じ、
ELECTRO-HARMONIX EL34は現代版真空管アンプと言った雰囲気でしょうか。
どれも特徴があり、悪いのは無いです、これも音質が分かる音だから。
比較動画で比較出来ない音質はたくさんありますから。
コメントありがとうございます。GT管とMATUSHITA 6CA7はお気に入りの球です。
The vocals are soft and the sound quality is good and easy to hear.
Vintage Marantz 8B has 4 EL34 balls (push pull),
Elekit (single) is enough.
If it is push pull, you have to do R / L with a pair tube
If the balance is not achieved and one of the tubes becomes NG,
It is difficult to exchange two pairs.
Pushpur is twice as loud as you want to hear
It is advantageous, but if you listen at home, even a single
I think it's good.
アルテック604－８GをEL34で聴けるなんて！本当に有難うございます。4Wでこれだけの音。流石
に能率100db。
コメントありがとうございます。604－８Gは気に入っております。能率は大切ですよね。
Good Groove tubes and Matusita 6CA7
(1) GT-Groove tubes EL-34 (2) Matushita 6ca7 (3)Electro-Harmonics (4)Mullard EL34 (5)Svetlana EL34 (6)Telefunken EL-34
What a beautiful voice ！💖
The Telefunken has definitely the taller soundstage and it definitely colours the sound less. So , again i think it has the most natural uncoloured sound. It doesn't have the fullness and weight of others....
選曲、録音、映像、編集、何れも素晴らしいです。何時も楽しませて戴いています。やっぱりEL34が一番好きです。本当はULでは無くて三極で聴きたかったなあ！と思いました。もう無理でしょうね？
このアンプは処分してしまいました。三極の方が音は綺麗でした。
テレフンケンの34をアルテック1568で使っています
ムラードが気になっていました
聞かせていただいてありがとうございました
良いアンプをお持ちですね。是非聞いてみたいものです。
This is the video we've been missing. Now I can understand why the factory in St Petersbourgh had to close...
P.S.: Pitty that the Groove Tubes part is curtailed in the end.
好みからすると、3,6。4,5はエージング不足か、雑味が残っているような。総合的には音場、低音、音の切れ等で⑥MATUSHITA 6CA7が良い。
@Almeida Quelas DAPでさえ音は変わりますよ。違いが判らない人には理解できないでしょうが。
Eh는 6개중이 저음이 가장 좋고 현대적인 소리네요.
빈티지 소리를 좋아하는 약간 나이드신분들은 telefunken 과 matusita 좋아하겠네요. 둘다 맑고 부드러운 소리인데 건조해서 제취향은 아닌듯합니다. 마쓰시타는 부드럽지만 tele관이 조금더 배경에서 풍성함을 갖고있고 덜건조하네요. 둘다 노치필터쓰지않은 5~8인치 풀레인지스피커에 어울리는듯합니다.
제가 el34에서 제일 좋아하는 관은 gt와 mullad 인데, gt관을 조금더 좋아합니다 풀레인지보다 2웨이 북셀프스피커에서 mini300b같은 부드러우면서 정숙하고 차분하면서 넓은 소리가 나옵니다. 뮬라드는 음의 정렬이 정확하면서 리듬감이 좋고 모든관을 통틀어 고중저역 밸런스가 좋아요 3웨이 박스궤짝타입 와피데일 도브데일 린톤 같은 스피커와 잘어울립니다.
Svetlana관은 약간 모호한 포지션인데 telefunken이나 matusita 관의 고음+ eh저음 섞은 느낌이네요 역시 현대적인TR 느낌이고 매칭궁합에 따라 쓰면될듯.
스피커 타입 및 크기별로
가장보편적으로 현대의 2way 북셀프 스피커라면 1. Groovetube. 2 Electro hamonix.
50~70년대 alnico unit+ horn tweet or fullrange 스피커라면 1. Telefunken. 2 matusita.
2way 혹은 3way bigbox 타입스피커라면
독보적으로 1.mullard. 2. Gt.
공간적 측면에서 웅성웅성 대화를 하는 큰 매장 혹은 거실 이라면
소모가격과 먼거리 넓은 스테이지측면에서
1. Gt 2. Eh 3. Mullard.
작고 조용한 공간에서 노이즈없는 환경이라면
1. Telelfunken 2. svetlana & matusita.
20~30ages. (쏘는 고음이 귀가 쉽게지치고 날카로움은 산만 저음에 흥나는 플레이리스트 저비용)
1. Gt 2. Eh. 3 svetlana.
50~100ages( 피로한 고음소리도 노래 잘들음 . 중저음 싫어하고 bass극혐함. 좁되 앞으로 튀어나오는 소리에 익숙하고 잘들림. 중고음좋아함. 현악기 여자보컬 올드팝 성악 클래식)
1. Telefunken 2. Matusita.
균형잡힌소리
1. Svsltlana 2. Eh 3.gt
영상에서 보이지 않지만 풍미가 가장 좋은 매칭은 1. 텔레풍켄 이네요. 고음이 쏘지 않으면서 고음이서도 잔향이 남는다는 느낌. 실제로 못들어본 유일한 진공관. 2. Svetlana. 중고음과 중저음 가장 잘표편함 악기질감 거의 텔레풍켄이지만 보컬에서는 밀리고 약간 뭉글어짐. 3 gt=matusita. Gt는 리듬감을 matusita는 차분함 속에서 들어가고 나오고 차이를 가장 크게 보여줌. 높은 몰입감있지만 약간 산만하고 건조함때문에 아쉬움. 가벼운듯하면서도 단단한 고급짐 갖고있음. 하지만 노래취향이 올라운드가 아니라서 감점 혹은 gt와동급
여성보컬 및 현악기 위주의 노래 취향일때만 압도적으로 telefunken 관이 좋은듯하네요.
올라운드 음악취향과 일반적인 입문형스피커~중급기라면 gt와 mullad svetlana 가 밸런스 있는(저음보충 및 음악장르 ) 좋은선택일것입니다.
詳細な分析に恐れ入ります。
ヴォーカルが、柔らかい音で音質も良く聴きやすいです。
ヴィンテージ マランツ8B は、EL34球を4本仕様（プシュプル）であるが、
エレキット（シングル）で十分な感じである。
プシュプルですと ペア管で R/L ささないと
バランスが取れず、どれか１本、真空管がNGになった場合、
2本ペアで交換になり大変です。
大音量で聴きたい倍は、プシュプルが
有利であるが、一般家庭で聴く場合は、シングルでも
よいと思います。
コメントありがとうございます
凄い男だ🎉
I like eh el34.
これは素晴らしい比較動画ですね！ 大変勉強になります◎
ちなみにこちらのmullardは復刻版でしょうか？
mullardは復刻版になります。
@@autolip128 値段的と音聞いて私も復刻版買いましたー◎
松下も欲しいですがオークションでも少し高いですねー
@@森一茶 MATUSHITA 6CA7素直でバランスの良い音です。安いの見つけたら試してみてください。
Wonderful amplifier i have ordered one my self. As far as i know Telefunken did not produce El34, it used RFT and rebranded them. By the way do you know if KT90 can be used with this amplifier?
Dont know about KT90's. I know EL34'S are ok, even though they make the unit run a bit warm above where the power transformer is mounted. Mine has done SEVERALthousand hours on EL34, KT88, 6550, 6L6GC. Correct me if im wrong, is the KT90 similar to the EL34 but with a touch more low end?
@@harrothepilot You are right. The KT90 is a more powerful KT88 replacement but sound wise shares some of the EL34 sound but with better extension.
Have you built your tu8200 yet? Everyone does em how they want, and i would add three or four components then solder then check under a good magnifier. I found that good for me, rather than populate the whole board, then go back and solder. Nothing too tough solder wise with the solder bridges needing the most care. I think the newest kits come with JJ tubes but mine had EH6L6GC's and some no name Chinese pre tubes. I just run new TungSol 12au7w pre's with whatever power tubes i want at the time. My build was about 15 hours, but i believe some people can complete them in 5 - 6 hours. I love it, its a great little amp whether through a preamp and dac and speakers, or with headphones.
@@harrothepilot Sorry for late reply, i didn't see your post earlier. I got mine ready build as i have no DIY skills. The JJ tubes that come are very good indeed and after i tried the KT90 i can tell you i like the JJ 6L6 better. I also tried TAD 6L6WGC, better than JJ for vocal and amazing quality tube but audibly less bass extension. If you are in to vocal jazz TAD is the way to go but for rock/metal JJ. I have ordered Black Treasure 6CA7 and Psvane Cossor 12AU7 tubes and see if they can do better than the stock JJ.
@@calaf_725 Good stuff, i bet you are enjoying it, it's a great amplifier. I have two other push pull amps, one with 4 x EL34's and one with 4 x KT88's, and the TU8200 has clearer sound than both of them!!
How are the sound recorded, from a microphone or from line output and captured via USB? If from a microphone, which brand and model was used?
いちばん最初のもの 0:01 と、最後のもの 14:29 とで、使い分けかなぁ。
確かにウルトラリニアはいいとこ取りとも言えますが悪く言えば中途半端なのしれません。
2.6の音質の明るさと立ち上がりが似ているかな、さすがTの持ち味かなあ。自分としては3、Mの落ち着きのある音域がここちがいい。
使用されているプレチューブの数はいくつですか？ そして、回路？興味がありますか？それを非常に良い音にしないでください。
Do people really listen to this kind of music? Is it because they enjoy music or enjoy listening to audio equipment?
シンガーは誰ですか？
森川七月さんです。
Mullard EL34が最も低歪に聴こえた
Mullard EL34は評判いいですからね。
ドライブしたいるアンプの詳細が知りたいです。
アンプはサンバレーのTU-8200SVです。ネットで調べてみてください。
有難うございます。RUclipsでEL34の6種類聴き比べで聴き比べで、一聴き惚れしてしまいました。
厚かましいのですが二、三教えてください。
この真空管アンプは、JBLの4344でドライブした場合Power不足にはなりませんか？現在はマッキンのKT7200を使用しています。が、既に購入から約30年。兼ねてから憧れていた真空管アンプに替えたいと考えています。小生現在66歳。人生最後の夢。と、思っています。ご迷惑をお掛けしますが、率直なアドバイスを頂戴頂ければ幸いです。何卒宜しくお願いする次第です。 敬具
TU-8200SVは入門機ですのでトランスも小さくあまり音は良いとは思えません。4344でしたら上位機種をお勧めします。
4344を鳴らせるかどうかですがスピーカーの能率は悪くないのでパワー不足感はあると思いますが鳴らせると思います。
あとは好みの音が出るかでしょうね。
プリアンプは何なのか知りたいです。
プリアンプは使っておりません。このアンプのボリュームで音量調整しております。
曲により数本あるとよいですね。万能はないでしょう。１、３、５
コメントありがとうございます。確かに万能はスピーカーやアンプでも無いですね悩みの種です。
ソースの質なのか中音や高音に低音が被って何発音しているか不明状態。
singer🐶who❓
natuki morikawa
収録マイクが極端に酷いのかtubeによる音質差は感じますが音質の良し悪し全く判りません>